The Puppy Diaries…

Whew! WARNING: this is a huge post! It’s taken Hsin-Yi days to put this all together…but she thought it would be entertaining – and maybe even helpful to other puppy owners – so worth posting on my blog. Hope you enjoy the trip down Memory Lane with me! ;-)

Well, many of you seem to think that my human, Hsin-Yi, knows a lot about doggies & training & behaviour and stuff…but really, I am the first doggie she has ever owned and she has had to learn a LOT from scratch since getting me! :D

Hsin-Yi & me (8yrs old)

In fact, one of the reasons Hsin-Yi started my blog was because she wanted to share with other doggie owners all the good stuff she’s learnt along the way – so that hopefully they won’t make the same mistakes she did with me. (And she made a lot! ;-) )

But Hsin-Yi never tried to set herself up as some kind of training expert and she gets very upset when we see nasty comments on some online forums, saying things like, “Well, really, I would have expected her to know better, given that she is such an authority on dog behaviour…” etc, etc…Sheesh, Hsin-Yi never said she is an authority on anything! :roll: She isn’t some professional dog trainer making videos on Youtube or writing on my blog to try and boost her business…she is just a pet owner who is trying her best, and she wishes people wouldn’t jump on her like that.

Yes, of course, there are things that Hsin-Yi believes in strongly and would do a certain way – but she never says that her way is the only way or the best way. It is just the way she does it and thinks best – but you can take it or leave it. She shares it on my blog – but nobody is forced to read my blog or follow what Hsin-Yi says. Besides, Hsin-Yi doesn’t always know best, and she gets scared that people seem to expect her to have answers for everything.

Hsin-Yi says that the one thing her university education has taught her is to be like Fox Mulder in The X-Files:

…well, OK, not really – but basically, to question everything. So she would never just take everything on 1 person’s word. No matter how experienced or expert that person is – whether they are your mother, your breeder, your trainer, your best friend, your online guru…you should never just slavishly follow what one person says without checking & double-checking; get a 2nd opinion, a 3rd opinion, a 4th opinion…gather all the information you can find and then use your OWN brain to work out what would be the best for YOUR situation. Nobody can know everything about everything. And you shouldn’t just expect 1 person to give you the easy answer.

Hsin-Yi & me (4 weeks)

So just to show you that Hsin-Yi started out just like everybody else (and because I thought you’d get a good giggle! ;-) ) – here are some emails she found when she was sorting through her old Inbox archives recently. They tell you what it was really like – and you know we always believe it’s really important to be *honest* on my blog and show the ugly stuff as well as the good stuff! ;-) They’re from when she first got me as a baby puppy and was emailing my lovely breeders, Kim & John Wylie of Yacanto Great Danes NZ,  constantly with all her questions…

…as you can see, Hsin-Yi was a Big Worrywart!! :P

I think my breeders must have been saints to put up with her long rambling emails (er…that bit about the colour & texture of my poo probably comes under the category of ‘Too Much Information’!! ;-) ) and endless questions – and answer them all so patiently.

A good breeder is supposed to always be there for their puppy owners, to help & support them…I think mine went above & beyond the call of duty – hee! hee! (The first couple of weeks, my humans were emailing or calling them almost every day!) My poor breeders probably regretted the day they gave Hsin-Yi one of their pups…they probably never had such a neurotic new puppy owner!! :roll:

* Note from Hsin-Yi: I hope it won’t bore you to death but I’ve purposefully pasted these emails in “complete & unabridged” – long & rambling as they are – as I think it shows just how naive & silly I was about so many things! :P (Ha! Ha! Read the bit where I was complaining about 10 week old Honey not being a “keen walker”! Poor thing! :roll: And the bit where I thought 60kg was too high an estimate as her final weight…er, yeah right!! Her adult weight was around 70kg! ;-) Plus I was raving about busy dog parks, not realising what a bad idea they can be…it took until Honey was attacked twice at that dog park, needing several stitches, before I started to learn that crowded dog parks can be dangerous places… ) Plus I had all the usual “first-time giant breed puppy owner’s” obsessions with whether they are growing properly and putting on enough weight…well, for all Honey’s “eating issues” & criticism I got from others for her being too thin as a pup, she’s certainly turned out OK in the end! ;-) )

I have to admit – although I’m sure our breeders probably cursed me (hee! hee!) – I’m actually really pleased that I was such a rambling neurotic because these emails are a wonderful, detailed record of the early days as a 1st time puppy owner. How quickly you forget things – and how easily your memory plays tricks on you! ;-) For example,we always think back of Honey & Lemon with a fuzzy glow, remembering how they were “instant best friends” and how good & gentle Honey always was with her…er, it wasn’t until I re-read these emails that I realised the reality was very different! In fact, we had a lot of stress about Honey & Lemon, how Honey was being too rough with Lemon, supervising them together, etc, etc…it’s funny how you always only remember the “nice bits”! ;-)

 

Dear Kim & John,

Hello – I hope you might remember me! We’ve met a couple of times at Great Dane events in Auckland, in particular at the NZKC Show in July last year. My husband is English and I was the Chinese girl who kept asking to take pictures with Jake and Blade! (I have attached one of the photos I took).

The reason I am writing is that we will be returning to Auckland at the end of this year (we are currently in Sydney) and plan to buy a house and settle in NZ. Although I have wanted a dog all my life, my parents did not allow pets and so I decided that I would have to wait until I was settled in my own home with a garden. Five years ago, I decided that the breed I would like to have is the Great Dane and since then, I have been doing extensive research on the breed. I have bought all the books on the breed and have also been to Crufts in the UK, several times. I have also looked after a friend’s Dane over a 4-day weekend, to see what it is like to live with the breed and I regularly visit 2 Great Dane internet forums to learn more about the breed.

For a while, I had been unsure which colour Dane to go for and also hadn’t really thought about the “type” but when I met Blade, I was smitten. I realised that the kind of Dane I like is the old English/German type with the majestic head and solid body that Blade displays so beautifully. But most of all, I had never met a dog with such a wonderful temperament. I decided then that I would love to have one of your puppies, especially if Blade or Jake (who was also wonderful) could be the sire.

So I was really writing to ask whether you are planning any litters – hopefully by Blade? (I would be looking for a pet/companion bitch. The most important thing to me would be temperament, particularly as I would like to do Pet Therapy work.)

This is the most exciting email I’ve ever written as I can’t believe that I am finally asking a breeder about litters and seriously planning for a puppy!

Best wishes,
Hsin-Yi

Hsin-Yi meeting my Daddy, Blade, and big brother, Jake...

 

Hi Hsin-Yi,

I do remember you very well and was wondering where you were! Firstly thank you for wanting one of our Danes, it is always a very satisfying thing for us to know that our Danes are liked and people want one….

We have just mated Jake’s parents (Blade& Brenna) again and are expecting the litter in mid-Oct. Next year we plan a litter from Jarrah to more frozen semen this time from Eng CH. Yacanto Top Gun (UK). So we can offer you plenty of opportunity to own a ‘real’ English type Dane and of course we guarantee our dogs temperaments. We really liked you when we first met and know you will make fabulous Dane owner, the love for the breed is there for you. Are you interested in showing at all? Not that it matters.

I will keep in touch and look forward to hearing from you again. I have attached a pic of two of the pups from our last litter sired by Jake.

Kim

 

Hi Kim,

That’s one of the most exciting emails I’ve ever received! Thank you so much for getting in touch. We would LOVE to have one of the puppies from the Blade and Brenna litter and would like to put our names down on the waiting list. The only thing is, we haven’t got permanent accommodation in Auckland yet but we are arriving back in Auckland in mid-Oct and will start house-hunting immediately, so we are really hoping to be in our new home by Dec. I hope this is OK with you? – we’re happy to put down a deposit for a puppy if you like.

If we haven’t managed to buy a house in time for the first litter, then we would definitely like a puppy from the second litter next year – but I will do EVERY thing I can to be ready in time for one of Blade’s pups!!

Thank you also for the hip scores. That’s really put my mind at rest, as I was always told that it is one of the most important things to check with a breeder.

Congratulations on all those amazing wins! I’m not very familiar with the show side of things but it’s still incredibly impressive and I’m honoured to be getting a puppy from such an amazing background.

We would really like to come and visit you after we get back – maybe when the first litter is about 4 weeks old? We will call you once we’re back in Auckland.

Oh, and can I ask your advice about two things? One is – we would like to get a kitten and weren’t sure if we should get it before or after the puppy (it would be from a rescue shelter). I thought “before” would be better so that the kitten has “established” itself before a big puppy comes through the door! But I noticed on your website that you seem to have cats at home, so maybe the puppies will already be socialised with cats already? And therefore it doesn’t matter? Someone suggested that I should get them at the same time, so that they will grow up together. I would really appreciate your advice on all this.

The second things is – how high a fence do we need for our new house? And would we need to know of any other special features for a Dane? This would really help us when we’re looking at houses.

I really can’t believe I’m so close to getting a Dane puppy at last. My dream was to get a dog before I turned 30… I don’t think I will be able to sleep tonight!

Best wishes,
Hsin-Yi

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Hi All,
We have 7 lovely big babies. 5 boys, 2 girls.
Weights from 540g to 800g. Mum and pups all fine.

Kim

 

 

Hi Hsin-Yi,

Here are a couple of photos of Honey for you.
Good luck with the house!

Kim

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When I was 4 & half weeks old, my humans made a special trip to come & see me! :P It was a long drive (8hrs!) from Auckland to Palmerston North in the south end of the North Island, where my breeders lived…but it was worth it!

My humans were so impressed with my breeders. Of course, they knew that I had an ‘illustrious background’, with lots of my family being top winners at dog shows (my Daddy’s sister had even won ‘Best of Breed’ at Crufts, the biggest dog show in the world, 2 years ago!) – but what really impressed my humans was how much my breeders had done to socialise us puppies: like running the lawnmower near us when we were outside in the garden or the vacuum monster right outside our room (maybe this is why I’ve always been such a confident pup and never scared of loud noises! ;-) ), having the radio on loud near us, having lots of different people come to visit every day…

They even taught us to start doing our wees & poos on grass, so that by the time we were ready for our new homes, we were already half-housetrained! If I had access to grass, I would always go on that. They also knew that my humans wanted to name me “Honey” and so had already started calling me that, so that I would learn my name – and they took a stuffie from my humans and kept it with me – and then gave it back when I went to my new home, so that I would have something with me that smelled of my mummy & littermates.

And they were so patient with all Hsin-Yi’s questions – and took up all their free time spending hours with the new puppy owners, letting them visit for as long as they like. Finding a good breeder is like finding treasure and I would not be the doggie I am today without the wonderful start I had from my fantastic breeders. :P

If the movie doesn’t play, try it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3B-eJWy7DM

*Note from Hsin-Yi: it was very interesting for me watching this again after so many years (I only dug this footage out for this post!) – and I realised that so much of Honey’s personality was already showing even at 4 weeks! Like when she takes herself off to have a little sleep in the corner – that is just like her now and one of the things I love about her is that she is such an independent girl. Regular readers will know that I like my “personal space” and I admire independence. I couldn’t live with a clingy, needy, anxious dog who is constantly needing attention. I love the fact that Honey is comfortable in her own company and confident in doing her own thing. It’s not a judgement on the other types of dogs – different dogs suit different people (just as some men like women who need “looking after” and other men like fiesty, independent women! ;-) ) – but I’m really glad that Honey’s personality suits mine so well! :P

 

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Hi Kim,

Thought you’d like to see some photos of Honey in her new home. She had a bit of trouble settling in but is now doing well. She has the most gorgeous little face! And she has already learned “Sit” (isn’t she clever?) – on her 2nd day!

We had a bit of a nightmare “first night” – we followed all advice on hot water bottles, ticking clock, blanket with scent, etc, etc – but after we left her in her room, she nearly screamed the place down! She was yelping and crying for nearly half an hour but we really restrained ourselves and didn’t go to her. She finally stopped around 12:30am and we fell into bed in relief – only to be woken up again at 1:30am when she started up again! It was so loud and heart-rending. Paul started getting really stressed as he is due to do a 14 hr on-call shift and was worried about lack of sleep and also worried about the neighbours complaining, so finally – although I knew it wasn’t the right thing to do – I went out and took her into the living room and slept on the couch to keep her company. She didn’t really settle at all – she wanted to play! – and I think I got barely 2 hours sleep. She finally settled around 5am but I lay there, too stressed to sleep! I finally gave up at 7am and got up when she woke up again. It was a real nightmare night and I felt like bursting into tears! We had planned everything so carefully but everything seemed to go wrong. I knew I shouldn’t have rewarded her crying but at 2am, with a very mad husband on one side and a screaming puppy on the other side, I didn’t know what to do! She also made a little puddle on the living room floor, which of course could have been avoided if she had stayed in her own room with newspapers!

Anyway, things got a bit better in the daytime and I started putting her in her room for a bit of time, even though we were in the house, just so she would get used to being in that room alone. We did it once in the morning and then again in the afternoon – always after a busy play session, when we knew she would be tired. She normally just flops asleep on the duvet in the living room but those two times, we put her in her room with the baby gate up…anyway, by the afternoon session, she was crying a bit less. And so last night – her 2nd night – was the real test – and I’m glad to say that it was a lot better. I think spending time in that room in the daytime helped and she seemed more “accepting” of being on her own. She cried a bit but soon stopped and although she woke up several times in the night to cry a bit and whimper, each time, she stopped after a bit…and so we managed to get a bit of sleep in between. I’m hoping that tonight she will be better again…!

Other than that, she has been doing very well. The first day she was a bit lost and kept walking around whining but by the second day (yesterday) she was starting to play with her toys. She is also quite good about the housetraining – we’ve had a few accidents in the house (of course, to be expected) and sometimes it feels a bit like 1 step forward, two steps back! Like getting her out in time to go on the grass and praising her for going, only to come in with her and find her do a puddle (again!) on the living room floor two minutes later! But overall, she has been very good and starting to show us when she needs to go out. Her poo was quite firm to start with but then started getting very runny – which they still are at the moment. Do you think the runny poo is something we have to worry about?

I feel quite sorry for her as she keeps trying to make friends with Lemon – who is fascinated by her but quite wary of her. They seem to have a communication problem! Honey keeps inviting her to play by jumping and play-bowing and barking and this just makes Lemon hiss and swipe at her! I was hoping that they might be friends and play with each other but it doesn’t look like it!

I also feel bad because I have to keep saying “No” to her for so many things but Les (President of Auckland Great Dane Club) said that it’s important for her to learn her boundaries. We are trying to do it so that we tell her off and then give her her toys and praise her but – typical – her toys are never as interesting as chewing the door or sofa or whatever!

I have to say – I feel totally exhausted! It’s like having a small baby around – you can never take your eyes off her for one second as you never know what she might put in her mouth next! The only time I get my life back is when she is asleep – like now!!

Oh, I had a few other questions:

  • Honey loves to chew newspaper and bits of cardboard…is this OK?
  • She also likes to eat/chew dandelions and grass and stuff in the garden – it this OK?
  • Also – although she is eating, she doesn’t seem to eat much. She always leave stuff in her bowl (maybe I’m giving too much!) but I have been taking the bowl up after short time as the books say not to let her think there is food there all the time.

I’m sure I had other questions but can’t think of it now!

Best wishes,
Hsin-Yi

 

 

Hi Hsin-Yi,

Honey is just being a normal upset puppy. Imagine a baby being taken away from her family and that is exactly what Honey is. She will never progress beyond a 3-4 year old. They are very time consuming I agree!

Don’t be afraid to try her in your room on her bed with some newspaper for a few nights. She is upset and afraid at being alone and needs reassurance. We have done this many times until they settle in properly and then they are happy to sleep any where. Have her beside the bed so you can reach down and touch her if she needs its, but do not have her on the bed.  She will settle down I promise.

The runny stools are also a result of all she is going through at the moment. Change of food, different water and the stress of leaving home. They will come right in a week or so.

Just like babies everything goes into their mouths. Dandelions and grass are fine, but watch that she does not eat stones or bulbs. Ask Les to check the gardens for you to make sure there is nothing toxic that she may eat.

Cardboard is fine for her to chew on, not too much newspaper though as the ink may make her sick. The middle of toilet rolls are wonderful toys and cardboard boxes provide hours of fun.

You are doing fine. I must admit your letter brought a big smile to my face as it made me remember my first puppy and all that I now take for granted, Thank you for that.

Call me anytime you need me.
Kisses for Honey
Kim

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Hi Kim,

Just thought you’d like to see some more photos of Honey -

Things are going well – she is now quiet all through the night, from about 10pm when we “put her to bed” to around 6am, when I go to let her out. I don’t think she sleeps through but as long as she is quiet! She is always lying in her bed, quietly waiting for me when I go in at 6am. Unfortunately, she still pees & poos a lot on the newspaper and I think this is slowing the housetraining as it confuses her where to go – in the daytime, there are no accidents as I watch her like a hawk and always take her out if she starts “sniffing around” (the door to the garden is open all the time but she needs “encouragement” to go out!). But obviously at night, I can’t get up every 2hrs to let her out -  so she has to go on the paper. I hope when she starts to be able to hold it through the night, it’ll make the toilet training easier. I think once she is housetrained, it’ll make life easier in general as I won’t have to watch her constantly so much when she is indoors and I can relax and do other things a bit.

Yesterday (after my momentous trip out to the supermarket the day before) I felt brave enough to venture out for 2 hours with Paul – we had to do some necessary chores, etc…and when we returned, Honey was fast asleep in the garden, unpreturbed, so I felt better about leaving her. Today, I spent some time with her in the car, in our driveway, just to get her used to it as a nice place and tomorrow, I plan to take her out into Remuera village and park in the supermarket car-park and just sit in the car with her and let her get used to all the noises & people, etc.

It’s also great that I can put her in the garden for an hour or two now, when I need some peace and time to myself, either to cook dinner or do cleaning or make phone calls or whatever. Honey seems to have accepted that quite well – she isn’t throwing herself at the door anymore – she might whine a bit, then she either goes off and chews something or more usually, goes on her daybed and sleeps.

We had a great visit to the vet yesterday. Paul starts a week of nights from last night until Boxing Day (so no Christmas for him this year…) and so he had Fri daytime off, which was good as he’d really wanted to come to the vets and be a bit more involved. Unfortunately, because he works such long hours and is seldom home, he doesn’t get as much chance to bond with Honey & Lemon as I do. But anyway, we had a great time at the vets. They absolutely adored Honey and kept carrying her around showing her to everybody – even barging in on another vet who was in theatre! The vet we saw was really nice – so gentle with her and really took his time talking to me about my (many!) concerns.

He said she looked really well – neither too thin nor too fat – and she weighed 9.8kg. Apparently, the clinic has a couple of Danes as clients, so that’s good to know. Lemon went at the same time for her 2nd vaccinations and they both had worming tablets. Honey will go back next week for her 2nd vaccinations – and then we’ll be back there in Jan for the last set of shots – plus puppy school, which starts in the 2nd week of Jan. Yesterday was really just an initial check to familiarise her with the clinic and let her think that it’s a lovely place where everyone makes a fuss of her.

Honey is still not eating very much – always leaves food in her bowl, although she always initially attacks it with gusto. I am feeding her at around 7:30am, 1-2pm (depending on if she is sleeping, I don’t wake her up) and around 7pm in the evening. I am trying not to get neurotic about it and reminding myself that dogs won’t starve themselves but I do worry that I can see her ribs quite easily and maybe even her hipbones a little, so maybe she is too thin? And yet the vet thought she looked good yesterday! She is very playful and alert and seems very relaxed and happy (tail wagging) most of the time, so I don’t think she is ill. Her poos went a bit more solid yesterday (not hard lumps, still soft and yellow but just not liquidy and she only went on the evening) but then last night, she was back to being very runny again, which was disappointing. I think it may have been the Tux bone I gave her yesterday evening. Anyway, I’m now sticking to just her food and chicken necks and hope she settles down on that.

The only other thing I’m really worried about is her and Lemon. They play a lot together – but Honey is really rough with Lemon. She keeps chasing her and lunging at her, play-biting. Often, she gets Lemon in her mouth (whole body or neck) and although I know it’s all in play, I’m really worried that there might be an accident. I mean, even if Honey has no malicious intent, if she just bites a bit too hard in excitement and her teeth punctures Lemon’s stomach, then it’s too late, isn’t it? I’m so worried but I don’t know what to do because I don’t feel it’s fair to tell her off when she is only playing. Lemon keeps coming up to tease her as well, which doesn’t help things. Lemon doesn’t seem too worried most of the time, lying on her back and pawing at Honey’s face, so I assume that she must not feel threatened by Honey – although occasionally, when Honey chases her too hard and steps on her or grabs her in her jaws, then Lemon gets really upset and may hiss & spit and scratch. A lot of people say that cats can take care of themselves and I try not to interfere but because there is such a size difference between them , I’m really scared that there will be a terrible accident. At the moment, I don’t dare leave them alone together and when they are together, I have to watch them constantly and tell Honey off if she gets too rough. But again, I can’t watch them all the time! As if it’s not bad enough watching Honey all the time for puddles! Anyway, I’d be very grateful for any thoughts you may have. I know you have cats with your Danes but they are all grown-up cats, which I have no doubt can look after themselves. I’m just not sure about Lemon, being only an 8 week old kitten.

Anyway, I’ll shut up now! Here are the photos. Hope you enjoy them.

Best wishes,
Hsin-Yi

 

Dear Kim & John,

Hope you had a lovely Christmas break.

We are all fine here – Honey is settling in nicely and although we still have quite a few hiccups – mainly to do with house-training – overall, she is a really good puppy and everyone who meets her thinks she is gorgeous! (she’s got her own fan club at the vets) She is still a very fussy eater and there will be days when she will eat almost nothing – and then other days where she eats quite well. She looks alright, although no real “puppy fat” but she seems very alert and playful and happy, so we’re not worrying too much about the eating. Everyone tells me it is better that she is on the thin side than fat, anyway.

She seemed to have a regression with the sleeping arrangements – started crying and yelping again and trying to break down the babygate! I noticed, though, that she always seemed really happy to sleep on her outside bed, which is in the outside laundry room, with the door open and access to grass – and everytime she fell asleep there, if I brought her into the house, into her “bedroom” at night, she would get really upset – so one night last week, I thought I’d just leave her out and see what happens…and bingo! Quiet night all the way through. So she has been sleeping “outside” ever since – and seems far happier. There is also no confusion now with newspaper Vs. grass and it also means that when I put her out for a bit of “time-out”, she very happily goes to sleep in her bed. I did feel a bit cruel at first letting her sleep “outside” in the laundry room but as she seems much happier with this arrangement and it’s mostly very warm at night, it seems a good solution. It is very sheltered, anyway, and on colder nights, we give her 2 hot water bottles – plus of-course, she has her feather duvet and her fleece blanket.

Our biggest problem is still with the kitten – Honey keeps chasing her and trying to bite her. I’m really at my wit’s end over what to do – I can’t restrain Honey all the time. It started out OK but now, she’s getting more excitable and biting harder. She doesn’t really respond when I tell her off for chasing/biting the kitten. I know it’s just in play but it is quite dangerous as she is so big and once or twice, she got the kitten in her mouth and was trying to shake her around!

We took Honey with us to visit some doctor friends of Paul’s who have a Border Collie/Weimeraner cross (you won’t BELIEVE the energy there!) and after she got over her initial timidity, Honey loved Fergus and played with him like mad. I’m pleased that he is a very large dog so he’ll still be a good playmate when she’s grown up. She really needs some dog playmates, rather than just chasing the kitten! There’s a photo of them playing.

Anyway, here are some more recent photos – hope you enjoy them.

Wishing you a very Happy New Year -

Hsin-Yi

 

Dear Kim & John,

Just wanted to say thanks for your message and your great advice, which has been working a treat.

We started doing what you suggested for Honey’s food and she was been licking her bowl clean every time! It’s a real pleasure to see her eat properly and although I want to keep her on the lean side, I think it’ll be nice to have her put on a bit more fat. Having said that, she doesn’t seem to have a problem with weight – she is now 13kg – and she was only 11kg last week – she’s put on 2kg in one week!! But at least if she isn’t all ribs, I won’t have everyone we meet telling me that I’m starving my dog!

We met a horrible woman out in Remuera the other day who gave me a lecture for feeding Honey wrong and accusing me of starving my puppy! I tried to explain that Great Danes grow so rapidly that it’s important to try & slow their growth but she just wasn’t interested. I felt a bit resentful that she obviously had no knowledge of giant breeds but felt able to criticise and lecture me about how to look after my dog! Personally, I think Honey looks lovely – even if she is slightly on the thin side. Maybe I’m biased but Paul and I both agreed that Honey has a beautiful rich colour to her coat and a lovely expressive face and big eyes…even if her ribs do stick out a bit!! :) Anyway, thank you again for giving us such a beautiful puppy. You should see the attention we get everywhere we go – everyone comes up and tells me how beautiful/gorgeous/cute/adorable, etc, etc… she is – nobody can resist her face, with all its worry wrinkles and droopy lips and sad eyes and quizzical expression! :)

Last night, she started having a bit of a problem – weeing constantly – I suspected she had cystits but Paul got really worried about things like an ascending kidney infection (whatever that is!) and although it was probably overreacting, we decided to take her to an emergency after-hours vet rather than wait to take her to her normal vet today. They thought it *was* cystitis and she is now on a course of antibiotics. Frightening how much things cost for a Great Dane as all medication is done by weight. Well, at least we’ve already earned back our pet insurance premiums!

Oh, and your other advice about Lemon is sort of working as well. I’m being much more strict with Honey when she goes for Lemon and keeps trying to bite her – and using a deterrent to interrupt her behaviour. She is still trying it on but she is being a bit more restrained now as she seems to realise that she’s not supposed to do that – I’m hoping that if we continue with the telling off, she might eventually stop and the two of them can be in a room together with no problems. We did manage to have a couple of evenings where both she and Lemon were in the house – NOT playing – : Honey asleep at our feet and Lemon purring on our laps – whilst we watched TV – and Paul and I looked at each other and said, “There is hope!” :)

She has had her 2nd set of shots now and the vet said that we can take her for short walks, just on our street in front of our house – as it is a dead-end street and Remuera is a very upmarket area with all the dogs there vaccinated. I’m quite surprised though that Honey is very reluctant to come out for walks – she’ll leave the garden quite happily but then after a few steps, sit down and refuse to go any further. You practically have to drag her down the path! But the minute we turn around and head for home, she’ll trot along happily – and quickly! I just don’t understand – I thought all dogs loved walks and usually, it’s a problem persuading them to go home – not the other way around! Of course, we’re not taking her very far at the moment – just 5 mins down the street and back – but as both Paul and I enjoy walking a lot, we’re keen for Honey to eventually be able to join us for big walks. I hope she grows out of this behaviour and starts to show enthusiasm for walks, otherwise it’ll be very frustrating!!

We’ve been making a great effort with Honey’s socialisation – the books say that 8-12 weeks is crucial and so we’re keen to expose her to as much as possible during this time – meet lots of different people, animals, dogs, situations, etc. It’s difficult, though, as she’s still got her last set of vaccinations to come, and so can’t really be put down on the ground. With Honey now weighing 13kg, it’s practically impossible to carry her more than a few steps! But we have been taking her in the car to busy supermarket carparks to get her used to cars and shopping trolleys and people and also to the beach and park, just parked next to the Bar-B-Q sites, where she can watch the bustling and smoke and cooking and children on bicycles and kicking balls and yelling, etc. We are also trying to take her to visit friends with vaccinated dogs as I feel that she needs to spend more time with other dogs to play with. That’s the problem with being an “only dog” – whose only playmate is a kitten!

One of the Auckland breeders invited us over for a “puppy party” last weekend – a lot of her puppies came back to visit with their new owners, plus the 4 that she still has with her – so it was great fun (and mayhem!). They are all 6 weeks older than Honey (and look enormous!) but that didn’t seem to faze Honey when she was over there – she was playing really roughly and being very “full-on” with them! I think it’s really good for her as a couple of times, she overdid it and got disciplined by the older puppies – and I hope that’ll teach her to inhibit her bite and play more gently…it might even help with Lemon, who knows?

And next week, Honey will be starting puppy kindergarten at the local vet’s, which I’m really looking forward to. I think it’ll help me as well to hear how other people are getting on with their puppies and their frustrations and problems!

Honey is really a very good puppy, overall. She hasn’t really had an accident indoors now for a couple of days and doesn’t chew things excessively; is very responsive to being told off; respects rules like not going in the kitchen or on the sofa; will actually take herself off to bed at around 9pm, when she is feeling very tired – and is generally very placid – doesn’t jump up on you or anything like that (not that I would allow it!) – and already knows to “sit”, “shake paws”, “drop it” – and I’m trying to teach “down” at the moment.

When you consider that she is only 10 weeks old and I have seen older puppies behaving worse, it’s amazing really! I suppose it’s all do to with your expectations and standards – and poor dog, she’s got me for an owner – ha! ha! I’m the world’s worst perfectionst – and I’m really strict on good behaviour. But I do really believe that dogs that are well-behaved have a richer life as it means they get to accompany their owners to more places and more people enjoy meeting them and they are involved in things more because they are a pleasure to have around! And I want to take Honey with me to as many places as possible and I want her to be a good ambassador for her breed and for large dogs in general!

More photos attached…

Best wishes,

Hsin-Yi

 

 

Hi Kim & John,

I started back at work on Tue and so we’ve got a “pet nanny” coming in at lunchtimes for Honey, to give her her lunch and a bit of play/cuddles! When do you think she will be old enough to go onto 2 meals a day? Do I just start feeding her more in the mornings, in the hopes that she will leave her lunchtime feed?

She is continuing to eat really well and has put on some fat – and is looking beautiful now. We took her to Cornwall Park the other day and socialised her with the cows, sheep and chickens. I also took her into our local petshop to see the birds & rabbits, etc. She is wonderful with people and children and cars & buses and loud noises, etc, now – dogs are the only things she is still very wary of (she is terrified if they bark at her!) but starting from this week, she’ll be going to puppy classes at the vets on Tue nights and “puppy playcentre” on Thur nights – for a month – so she’ll meet lots of different breeds/colours/sizes of dogs and hopefully, get much more confident with them.

Also, thought you’d like to see the latest crop of photos – Honey really has the most adorable face – everyone who meets her says so! She is like a local celebrity when we go out. Paul said that she’s the best “babe magnet” he’s ever had as every woman in Auckland wants to stop and talk to him when he’s out with her!

Best wishes,
Hsin-Yi

 

Hi Kim & John,

Just wanted to ask you a question about Honey’s ears – in the last couple of days, they’ve started to go a bit funny – sort of flopping over the front of her head or sticking out at the sides. We weren’t too bothered and just thought that they’d grown faster than the rest of her and that things would sort themselves out. They’re not bothering her at all – she doesn’t shake her head or paw them or anything – she just looks very funny! But then today, we took her to the NZKC Discover Dogs event and a couple of the other dog owners commented on her ears and said that they were “abnormal”. Someone else suggested that she might be teething, which is why the ears sit funny, although I thought 3 months is a bit young to start teething! Anyway, they suggested that I check with you to make sure that everything is OK.

Someone said that if they remained funny, I should get them taped down but I’d be very reluctant to do that if it’s just for cosmetic reasons. We got Honey for a pet and we really don’t care what she looks like – we just love her for her lovely temperament. Of course, we’d like her to look as nice a Dane as possible (and we think she does – everywhere we go, everyone comments on how beautiful she is) – but I wouldn’t want to subject her to anything just for cosmetic reasons.

Anyway, would be very interested to hear what you think. Am attaching a few recent photos of her.

Am also attaching some of her at puppy class, which you can see she is really enjoying! One of the exercises each week is to pass our puppies around, so that everyone can hold them in their laps – the idea being to socialise them more to different people. Except, at the rate that Honey’s growing, I don’t think we’ll be able to pass her around much longer…she seems to have doubled in size since we joined the class and is towering now over the other puppies! ;-)

She’s now had her last set of vaccinations which is great as now we can take her everywhere!! She is doing wonderfully and is a lovely confident, outgoing, friendly puppy (still going for the kitten, though!)

Best wishes,
Hsin-Yi

 

Hi Kim,

Thanks very much for putting my mind at rest about Honey’s ears! How long does the teething phase usually last for? And isn’t 3 months a little young to start teething? I thought puppies don’t usuallystart teething until about 5-6 months? Does this mean that Honey will do everything earlier? (like come into season? we want to make sure that she is spayed before her 1st season).

Also, would you mind telling me Blade & Brenna’s weight? It would really help with deciding how much to feed Honey, as at the moment, I am following the chart suggested on the back of the kibble bag. I know this is just a general guide and every dog varies but as I have no experience… the amounts are quite different depending on the final adult weight of the dog. For example, at 3 months, if the final weight is around 50kg, then it’s about 500g a day but if the final weight is around 60kg, then it should be about 550g a day…so if I could have a rough idea what Honey’s final weight is likely to be, that would be really helpful! At the moment, I am following the 60kg recommendations but I don’t know if this is too much?

The last couple of days, I’d upped the amount we feed her because I thought she would need more now that she is 3 months. But she is leaving a bit in her bowl everytime – so I thought maybe I’m feeding her too much? Maybe it’s because I’m following the 60kg adult weight recommendations – but maybe she just needs the 50kg adult weight recommendation – and that’s why she’s leaving food in her bowl? I know it’s better for her to be on the lean side and I do think she is looking much better than before – but I’m also worried that she is not getting enough food for her age! Would really appreciate your thoughts?

She is still quite sensitive about her food – she can get very easily distracted and then just refuse to eat. When we feed her now, we put her outside with her raised bowl and shut the door – and then everyone in the house stands still and makes no noise for 10 mins so as not to disturb her and make sure that she finishes the food in her bowl!! It’s ironic as everyone we meet keeps going on about her “eating us out of house and home” – and yet the reality is that we have to beg her to eat!!

We took her to one of the beaches in on the West Coast last weekend and she had a fantastic time – didn’t want to come home! I was really impressed with her as the water was quite “fresh” and Danes being such wimps, I didn’t think she would go in but she followed me in gamely and really seemed to enjoy splashing around.
Thanks,
Hsin-Yi

 

Hi Kim,

Thanks very much for your quick reply! It was really helpful.

We weighed Honey on Tue at the vet’s and she was 20kg (she is now 14 weeks) – so I guess she is a bit light compared to her littermates but I suppose it’s still OK? She looks good overall – not as bad as she was a couple of weeks ago when you could see all her ribs all the time! She is still definitely on the thin side, though, but you said that she looked OK in the photos, so I’m glad. I suppose every puppy is different. She is always full of energy and playful and alert – she is just not very interested in food!

I’m giving her two 500mg Vit C tablets a day – and also the chicken necks. However, I stopped the sunflower oil as I noticed that she always had runny poo whenever I added it – should I just persevere until her poo becomes solid again? Her coat seems lovely as it is – everyone always comments on it wherever we go – but of course, I want to make sure I do the right thing.

Thanks again,
Hsin-Yi

 

 

Hi Kim & John,

You’re probably sick and tired of seeing photos of Honey by now but I thought you might like to see what she’s been up to recently. Do tell me if you’re fed-up and want me to stop sending them!! I think she is the most photographed puppy in Auckland :)

She’s doing really well – just graduated from puppy class this week and we are so proud of her. She is growing into a really lovely dog and attracts admiration wherever she goes. Although occasionally, we do meet the odd owner who is really neurotic and scoops their dog up the minute they see Honey coming because they’re terrified of her size…but then hardly surprising when Honey’s just plonked her great foot down and squashed their Chihuahua pup!

Her weight gain seems to have levelled off slightly – last week she put on 4kg but this week, she only put on about 2kg. I was a bit worried but Paul pointed out that she couldn’t keep up a rate of 4kg per week otherwise she’d be over 200kg by the time she was fully grown! Plus the vet said that it was very normal and that puppies tend to grow in spurts, so she may not put on much weight for a week or so and then shoot up suddenly. She is currently 24kg and as you can see in the photos, she looks very well, I think.

She and the kitten still play very roughly and we have to tell her off quite often still for biting Lemon but they never seem to really hurt each other and Lemon keeps going back for more, so I guess it must be OK. She often has Lemon’s head or body in her mouth and it looks really scary but most of the time, she just seems to be mouthing Lemon gently. I hope they will eventually settle down and be able to do things like cuddle together, instead of always charging around the house like a pair of maniacs. When Honey is doing her “zoomies”, the whole house shakes!

Anyway, hope you’re having fun with the new litter. The photos are absolutely gorgeous. It was a real shock to think that Honey looked liked that only 10 weeks ago! We can’t believe how much she has grown – you don’t really notice when you see them everyday – but gosh, she really isn’t a little puppy anymore but turning into a miniature Dane!

Best wishes,
Hsin-Yi

 

Hi Kim & John,

Hope you are both well and the dogs as well. Has the new litter all gone to their new homes by now?

I sent you some nice photos of Honey by post last weekend – hope you got them. She is growing up into such a beautiful girl and we get so much attention wherever we go. We weighed her at the vet’s last Sat and she was 38kg. Last Monday, we started Obedience classes at a local dog club and the trainer specially came up to us afterwards to say what a lovely temperament Honey has. She has pretty much finished teething now and has all her adult teeth. She is also starting to bark sometimes – a very deep, impressive bark (!) although she is still a wuss and scared of plastic bags!! :)

I just wanted to ask your advice about her food (again!) as we’re a bit unsure as to what to do. She is looking very well and I think is carrying a nice weight – lean but not thin. However, the problem is that she is pooing an awful lot! She is going about 4-5 times, sometimes 6 times a day and the vet feels that this is too much for a puppy her age (he said that she should be going about 3 times max) – and that maybe she is not digesting her food as well as she could, so maybe we should switch her onto something else. She is bouncy and playful and has great appetite and the vet checked her and said that she is in perfect health (we always keep her quiet before and after meals).  It is not diarrhoea but firm, dark stools mostly (sometimes a lighter brown) but it does seem to be excessive. Anyway, the vet is keen for us to switch her onto Hills Science Diet as that is a “premium food” but we’re not sure as the ingredients seem to be mostly grains and chicken by-products. How can that be better for her? We had a look around the other brands but everything is very confusing! Royal Canin have a special range for “giant breeds” but that has 36% protein – how can that be correct for Great Danes when I’ve always been told by Dane people that the protein should be 24% or less?? The other brand which looked good was Nutrience, which doesn’t have a Giant breed puppy version but its Large Breed puppy version has low protein and good ingredients. But Nutrience is not considered a “premium” food, is it?

We’re so confused now as to what to do and would really appreciate your thoughts. How many times a day do her littermates poo? I remember John telling me that Blade goes once a day – is that what Honey will do when she is an adult? So how many times is normal at 5 months?

Thanks,
Hsin-Yi

 

Hi Kim & John,

Hope you’re having a good Easter! Sorry to bother you again but I just had another quick question about Honey’s food – we had been soaking it in water before we feed it to her, as a lot of  advice from Dane people said that this should be done to help prevent bloat. On the other hand, some books say that it is better to feed the food dry & hard, as it is better for their teeth.

Now that we’re switching her onto Nutrience, I was wondering if we should still soak the food? We would like to feed it to her dry if we can but obviously, we want to do what is best for her.

So just wondering if you soak your dogs’ food in water?

Thanks,
Hsin-Yi

 

Hi Guys,

You have just solved the runny frequent poo problem, it was the soaked food. We only soak their dry food during the weaning phase, Honey had been on dry food two weeks before she left. That probably also explains her picky eating originally. Dry food helps keep their teeth clean – an added benefit of not soaking.

None of the questions bother us, we love to hear from you. We are here to help – that was part of the bargain. People all have their own ideas on feeding and some work while others don’t. We tend to stick with what has proven best for our particular bloodlines over a number of years. Some lines have dicky tummies and food allergies which run through the generations.

Cheers
John

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“Am I getting big or what?”

Here are some latest photos of Honey at 5 & 6 months – she is now officially taller than me when we sit next to each other! :P

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(2 months later…)

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Hi Kim & John,

Hope all is well. I sent you a few emails recently with some photos of Honey – hope you got them!

She is doing very well: walking like an angel now on the leash and getting better at meeting dogs – she still gets very excitable and lunges a bit but I’ve got better control now and she is starting to show a bit more restraint, for example, practising sitting and waiting calmly until I say “OK” for her to go up to say hello.

I think it’s really helped that we’ve discovered this big off-leash park near us which is amazing: like a massive dog playground with enough different breeds to rival Crufts and all of them running freely, playing together every evening. The owners are all quite relaxed and there are lots of big dogs for Honey to play with. Since we’ve been going there, she is really improving with her canine social manners and also with being less hyper when she sees another dog as they are not such a novelty anymore because she has more opportunities to play with them and let off steam.

We have just finished an 8-week course of basic Puppy Obedience and we are now starting on the Canine Good Citizen Scheme, where we will try for the Bronze, Silver and Gold medals. This isn’t formal Obedience but focuses more on the skills needed for a well-behaved pet, like walking nicely & calmly past distractions such as joggers or fearful things like loud noises & crowds; meeting other dogs calmly, riding quietly in the car, going to their bed when told and reliable Stays in strange environments, etc. I was thinking of trying proper Obedience but I think we will try the CGC first as Honey isn’t really mature yet. We can always go onto Obedience afterwards if she seems to be enjoying it. I’m also planning to do Pet Therapy work with her  and she just needs her CGC for that.

She does brilliantly in class and everyone is so impressed as most people think Danes are useless at Obedience. She is learning things as fast and doing them as well as the Border Collies in her class.The trainer often calls us out to demonstrate an exercise and they all love her…she is such a star in class! :P   I have also taught her to play Fetch, which she LOVES – and again, everyone at the Dane Club was so impressed that she will actually fetch something back and drop it in my hands! Her latest thing is waiting for me to kick a football, for her to chase after and bring back. I am also teaching her some tricks – she now knows to bark when I ask her (in Chinese!) to “speak”.

Two weekends ago, we went to the Auckland Great Dane Club Ribbon Parade and we took part in some of the classes (a Puppy class, a Fawn class and Novice Handler class). It was very serious for some people – I suppose because they want to show and this was the training ground – but we were just having a bit of fun! And I think Honey did brilliantly, for a puppy with no ringcraft training. I only taught her the “Stand” command the day before and she was already standing beautifully for the judge to look at her. We came home with 2 ribbons for 2nd place…not bad for a puppy with no show aspirations!! ;-) (Having said that, a lot of people were commenting on how “natural” Honey is and how she automatically fell into a “stack” when she was standing. They also said that she had a natural ‘attitude’ and spark which was great for the ring – although she was much more “full on” than most of the other puppies, who were more gentle and mild-mannered. Honey is a lot more “in-your-face” with a very strong personality. But they all complimented me on my handling of her and said that I had done very well with a very confident dog, who was quite a handful! ;-) )

Oh, and we also met Honey’s brother, Cruise, with his owners. Gosh, I thought Honey was big until I saw her brother! He was the only other puppy bigger than her! He is lovely though and has a even wrinklier face than she does.

Everyone thinks Honey is enormous! :) Especially for a bitch and for her age – she was bigger than some other puppies there who are a month and a half older than her. We weighed her at the vet’s yesterday and she is currently 47kg and 29″ at the shoulders. I would be quite happy if she stopped growing now (!) – she is nearly outweighing me now – but I suppose she’ll keep on growing, especially as Brenna is so big too!

Anyway, I thought you’d like to see some photos from the Ribbon Parade and also some other recent ones.

Best wishes,
Hsin-Yi

 

Well done team, great results all round. The biggest improvement is that you are relaxing with her yourself, always remember that a dog senses you feelings of unease down the lead like an electric current.

cheers,
John

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(1 year later…)

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Hi Kim,

The Dane Club people told me that you’ve taken over as editor of the Great Dane Club magazine – and they thought you’d be interested in an article from me about Honey’s work for the SPCA Outreach Therapy Pets programme? We visit rest homes and rehabilitation centres and it’s very rewarding, seeing how the patients light up when they see her. She is so gentle and good with them too.

I don’t know if you’ve seen the current issue of the SPCA magazine “Animals’ Voice” but there’s a photo of us in there (and on the front page, next to a photo of Peter Jackson!) – and did you ever see the article about Honey in Next magazine? She’s becoming quite the celebrity! :-)

Anyway, hope you are both well – and all the dogs too. How’s your back?

We are fine – and Honey’s wonderful. We really can’t imagine life without her – she is so loved by everyone wherever she goes. She has a packed life, what with training classes and playdates with friends and hikes with us and therapy work and I’m still always trying to take her to new places each week, to continue her socialisation & give her new experiences…not to mention, living with Lemon, of course! :D I’m attaching some pictures of some adventures she’s had recently…

It’s weird – we go out in the streets and strangers come up to me and say, “That’s Honey, isn’t it?” – and I don’t know how they know her! :P

Take care,
Hsin-Yi

 

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* ps. Sorry! We have fallen behind again on our Google Reader and visiting blog friends…Hsin-Yi is very busy at the moment making Dead Lines and any free time she has had, she has been working on this post (!) – but we will be catching up as soon as we can! :P

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63 Responses to The Puppy Diaries…

  1. That’s AWESOME! First, your puppy pictures are incredible (you had GINORMOUS feet!). Of course, we have yet to see bad puppy pictures, but since we haven’t seen many of your very young pictures, we got a big kick out of them! Mom giggled for quite some time about the concern over your ears! :-D Mom was never worried about our ears. I think that has more to do with Mom, than the nature of our ears… 8-) The pictures of you with Lemon are wonderful -- especially the one where you’re both on your bed, and Lemon’s just sort of sitting back with this “Yuh, I totally have this big goofy puppy under control”! Our Mom just left us to our devices with Mr. Bufus -- Mom figured Mr. Bufus the Maine Coon had ‘raised’ generations of dogs, and even though he was de-clawed (he was a rescue) we only had to get in his face once and he smacked us, and that was that! :-)

    Fantastic post! And clearly Hsin-Yi is WAY more of an authority than our Mom, because she NEVER sent emails to anyone about our poops! ;-) Seriously, great post -- and we LOVED all the pictures!

    *kissey face*
    -Fiona and Abby the Hippobottomus, who were both neglected as puppies in comparison! ;-)

  2. what a brilliant post Hsin-Yi!
    I read the whole thing! Made for some very interesting reading, especially as we are now going through new, strange puppy phases with Rocky. I’m sure glad he doesn’t put on as much weight as Honey did! At 5.5mths he weighs 14kg :-p wee tiny pup compared to a Great Dane eh!

  3. I love this post. If only all dog owners were as dedicated as you were when raising Honey!! I did half to smile at the teething question, though when I first became a service dog puppy raisers, there were somethings I was VERY concerned about, that now seven puppies later, I don’t give a second thought. :)

    Thanks for sharing!

    Erin & Guide Pup David

  4. Courtney says:

    This may very well be my favourite blog post that I’ve read of yours so far :) I had a smile on my face the whole time -- awesome idea to share Honey’s puppyhood! The pictures are amazing -- I couldn’t help but chuckle at her ears, how adorable was she! I especially loved the ones with her and Lemon…as well as the one in the parade where she has a lion mane on! haha!

    You guys had amazing breeders, I hope the breeder I eventually go with for my future dane (not for a while…I’m hoping Jade still has another year or two left in him!) is as attentive and awesome as yours! Even though it’s still few years off, I’m already doing some research into reputable Dane breeders in Ontario, and I plan to go to some dog shows as well!

    Haha -- I can’t help but feel that I’m going to be just as much of a “worry-wart” as you were when I eventually get a pup…though reading your blog has been a godsend for Dane info and has answered so many questions I had :) So thank you for that! And once again -- thank you for this awesome post!

    Courtney

  5. Lacey the Great Dane says:

    Hi Honey!

    We really enjoyed reading your Puppy Diaries -- they reminded Brittany of when I was a baby puppy! She says you and I look very similar, except I’m a dainty Dane!

    Brittany plans to get a miniature poodle sometime in the next year -- do you have any advice for introducing a smaller dog into the family with a big one? Brittany says that I could easily injure a small dog in play -- I’m definitely more mature now, and now I don’t have to be watched when I am in the house, and Brittany trusts me to do the right thing, but I’m still a puppy in some ways!

    Licks and wags,
    Lacey (no licks and wags from Brittany though! ;) )

    • Dorothy S in Michigan says:

      I don’t have Danes (but I DID take care of a 95# Dane mix for a long time). My rule is that the dogs can’t chase the cats. They sniff each other, lick eachother, walk around together, and lie down, but no chasing. My reprimand is, “Be nice to kitty cat”, or “Be gentle with __(cat name) __”. Of course, I have adults. Puppies and kittens would be a different matter.

      I am haunted by the story of a coworker’s normally gentle Chow that impulsively killed the neighbor’s poodle. It simply ran after it and flopped it around like a rag doll. (The lady was expecting a baby and was not willing to take a chance with her Chow, so she found it a home where there were no other dogs or children. That story is why I don’t let the dogs do anything approaching aggressive with the cats.

      My cats have a separate room where the dogs can’t go. Maybe the little dog could have his or her own place to retreat to.

  6. Hi Honey and Hsin-Yi!
    We love this post! After watching your puppy video, my mommy dug up the video of our first meet too. We had a lot of fun watching it.
    The pictures of your puppy ears made us literally laugh out loud. : )
    Thanks so much for sharing. We have enjoyed reading it.

    Wags,
    Preston

  7. I loved this post and read the whole thing! How fun is it that you get to look back on those first days, weeks and months? The puppy video and photos of Honey made me smile. I am going to go hunt down some of Darwin’s old puppy pictures now. :-)

  8. Hi Honey!

    What a wonderful and insightful post! I really love all of the puppy pictures!

    Hsin-Yi, Ellie says that even though you may not be a professional trainer, you have done a wonderful job with Honey! Owning your first puppy is a huge learning curve for anybody, and you have the patience and willingness to learn that pups need. Honey has thrived because of your research and because of your desire to provide her with the best life you can possibly give her! We wish all puppy owners have the same dedication you have shown!

    ~Treasure the Dachshund and Ellie

  9. Loved the post! Honey is such a lucky girl to get such a great owner as yourself! I too am a bit on the worrysome side and I giggled a little because everything that you posted up, I often worried and osbessed over.. weight, getting along with the cat, loose poops, etc. It makes me appreciate the times when I feel somewhat in control of the situation before another “what now?” moment pops up. Thanks so much for sharing!!

  10. Wow, what a gorgeous pup you were! Not that you aren’t still gorgeous -- just in a more elegant kind of way now! :)

    That’s a really fancinating post. It’s cool to see how everyone has questions about their first puppy. I still ask some of my dog trainer friends what to do about Sparkie’s “issues” sometimes!

    - Jasmine

  11. What a fabulous post! You sure were an adorable pup, Honey!

    Love ya lots,
    Mitch

  12. Lilli says:

    That was a long post. But very interesting :) Thank you for sharing those beginning moments. They were very informative at least for me who is still waiting that first dog.

    Have a very nice March!

    -Lilli-

  13. sara, oreo and chewy says:

    You were lucky to find a breeder who was so open to questions! I’m a big worrier too :)

    Loved all the puppy photos!

  14. Whew…and we thought the muzzer was the only worry wart in the world.

    Your Breeders were very helpful, and it was wonderful to see pictures of you as a Pup, before you grew bigger than Hsin-Yi! Oh, and Lemon was a lovely kitty, and you were most fortunate to have her to teach you about cats.

    kisses
    gussie and teka toy

  15. Indiana "Bones" Taylor says:

    Hi Honey -- you know, my human Diane says this is what she loves most about your blog -- it is a true, honest, this-is-how-it-is-to-have-a-puppy blog. Hsin-Yi is right -- each situation is very different. What works for one dog owner may not work for ALL dog owners. We both loved seeing all those pictures of you as a wee baby puppy (were you REALLY that small???) and of course with Lemon. What fun it must have been to grow up with a kitty in the house. Please thank Hsin-Yi for letting us see all those emails to your breeder -- we all worry about our pups and want to bt the very best dog owners we can.

    Hugs to you :)

    Your friend,

    Indy Bones

  16. Fizz says:

    Wow, how lovely to be able to look back on your life like that. Hsin-Yi is so funny with the e-mails but it’s not untill you look back you realise just how much you worry about your new baby. I LOVED the photo of you dressed as a Lion, that was totally brill, I even thought it was a real lion to start with and thought Hsin-Yi was very brave. Keep on blogging.

  17. Wow! That’s one AWESOME fruitful post! Thank you so much Hsin Yi, for putting lots of effort in this post, and for sharing every detail with us. Roy is first puppy we got directly from a breeder, as there’s many case of puppy milling in SG, which is not a good thing, so we refrained ourselves from getting from any shop in SG. Love this post so much, and I love the new colour of the blog. Or are we just no up-to-date about it? Have a great week! Love you guys!!

    xoxo,
    The Musketeers

  18. Badger the Deerhound says:

    All conscientious dog breeders should welcome questions like these, and those that won’t take this kind of time to answer them should be run away from! My breeder would LOVE yours, Honey! P.S. I really giggled (as much as a Deerhound can giggle) over the funny pic of you and Lemon both snoozing on your backs on the one bed. Cats are always claiming to be SO dignified. We know better, right?

  19. Kari says:

    Awww puppy pics!

    Stop on by for a visit
    Kari
    http://dogisgodinreverse.com/

  20. Love this post! Makes me laugh because I felt the same way a lot of the times with Darwin! We were lucky in that Darwin was a good sleeper at night (maybe because she had been at our house off and on since she was 5 days old) and was really quick at picking up potty training. But so many questions about whats the best to feed your Dane pup and the ears! When Darwin was teething and her ears went all wonky I almost did tape down her ears because I was concerned they were going to stay wonky (though she was really cute with wonky ears, as was Honey).
    The video was so cute! A puppy pile! Loved those days when Darwin and her siblings would be in the office and we’d spend half the day on the floor with them. :)
    OMG and baby Honey and baby Lemon! SO CUTE!

  21. Sam says:

    What a great post and you brought back so many memories of our Danes -- including the thin puppies and floppy ears!

    Sam

  22. Megan, Tokyo and, Nous says:

    oh man! my experience has been very similar! I asked a million questions when we first got Nous. My poor vet, every appointment I had would be close to an hour! And I even stole some of your tricks after reading your blog! I made Nous a tiny blanket which I took to her when we visited at 6 weeks, so she would have something to bring home that smelled like her littermates. Not that it helped! She screamed bloody murder for the first two weeks during the night (she came home at 10 weeks, plus she came from a litter of 10 and there was another litter a week younger than her that also had 10 puppies). I tried desperately to ignore her. I remember asking the vet if she just had to pee (which she laughed at, and told me she was old enough to be sleeping 8 hours).

    And the first time we went out and left her alone! It was like a big occasion to go out for groceries.

    What is so funny, is that we totally forgot all about the sleepless nights, the constant pee-monitoring, putting everything in the mouth! And we got ANOTHER puppy just 4 months later! When we brought Tokyo home and she peed on the floor, my husband said “I don’t remember Nous doing this!” but of course she had!

    Puppies are so sweet and wonderful, you forget all the things you had to put up with (are still putting up with). Nous is about to have her first birthday which I can’t believe! Honey, you have given me hope that things will get better, and reminded me that things are already better.

  23. Megan, Tokyo and, Nous says:

    oh and I should mention, we went through the same thing with Tokyo’s ears. Everyday we got up and wondered which way they would be pointing. I emailed my breeder and called my vet because I thought something was going wrong! I too had people telling me that I should tape them (which I thought was weird since most people didn’t even know what breed she was!)

  24. Hi Hsin-Yi, What an absolutely fabulous post. I loved reading every word of it. You certainly brought back memories of many of our past dogs and the puppy phases. I bet your breeder was extremely glad they decided to let you have a pup because you certainly showed them you were a dedicated owner. I cracked up over the poo discussion. By the way its the same with babies, ha ha. I can’t remember any of our danes ears going floppy while they were teething (but they may have, I will have to look back on old photos). We are still going through the joy of pups now and I wouldn’t miss a minute of it.

    One last thing, I heard a wise piece of advice once that I have always remembered. I was told “Everyone has an opinion, it is neither right nor wrong, just an opinion” and I thought how true that was. Of course the lady giving her opinion on Honey as a pup was entitled to that opinion, but she should realise you don’t have to agree with her. Anyhoo who cares about her now (ha!). Your Big Honey Dog is a credit to you and Paul. I will always value your advice and remember how you took the time to help and comfort me during a very difficult time in my life. Thanks Hsin-Yi. This was (in our opinion hehe) one of your absolute BEST posts. No worries, and love, Carol (and Stella and Rory)

  25. Oh no, I posted a long comment and I think it disappeared. Well the amended version is that I absolutely LOVED this post. The memories recent and old all came flooding back. Thanks so much for sharing all your photos too. I must check my old photos to see if any of our danes ears were floppy. I can’t remember it at all. Probably due to lack of sleep he he. Thanks again Hsin-Yi. No worries, and love, Carol (and Stella and Rory)

    • bighoneydog says:

      Hi Stella -- don’t worry -- your original comment just went into our Spam folder -- but we’ve fished it out! :P Sorry -- WordPress can get a bit oversensitive about Spam -- but we always check every day to make sure none of our ‘real’ blog friends are in there. There were 2 other comments from other friends aside from yours too!

      Slobbers,
      Honey the Great Dane

  26. It was interesting to see the date you went to visit Honey for the first time. We brought Isabella home then too. I’m so happy Honey is doing so well! Thanks for taking the time to share all the wonderful photos.

  27. Dear Honey and Hsin-Yi,
    I found your blog about 5 months ago when I was researching about danes online. I came back to your blog 2 months ago and started to read it. I was so impressed/smitten at the humor and knowledge that I decided I was going to start from your first post and read the whole thing! Today, I have finished and I think it was fate that your post was all about Honey as a puppy since that was the reason I found you in the first place. Ruger is my first dane pup and he is 7 months old. I grew up with a dane but this is my first one to own. I am married with 2 kids and a 6 yr old Brittany names Morgan. I think you are both so amazing, and Paul & Muesli too! There have been numerous time I have laughed out loud at your posts, and my kids love watching the videos. I think I was drawn to your blog because I agree with your way on thinking on every subject and you are such a smart woman! I was so excited to finally catch up to present day and tag along with you in all the adventures. Back when you were disheartened with the mean people and thinking about cutting back or stopping the blog I was so worried and I am so thankful you didn’t. I hope you all are doing well and please know you have huge fans in Minnesota, USA!
    Best Wishes,
    April

  28. Dorothy S in Michigan says:

    This is one of your best posts ever! What is it about puppies that makes me happy? I think it is the big paws, the fat belly, and the total innocence. Maybe it is the sweet milk smell or their total devotion and desire to please. Maybe it is their lack of inhibition. Whatever it is, thank you for sharing Honey’s first months with us.

    Even the “poop talk” is interesting because the animals certainly change from time to time. I had never considered the thought that if they go too often they may not be assimilating food properly. With older dogs I don’t much care. That kind of goes along the line of, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”, they seem healthy and active.. I do watch for parasites, as they spend a lot of time outside and are thrilled to eat the occasional gopher, mouse or squirrel, all who could give them nasty stuff.

    Again, a beautiful post. Thank you for sharing. Honey, you were a fantastic pup, but I like the adult you turned out to be even better!

  29. Rubie says:

    My mum was also very into “liaison” with my breeder and often felt like she was being “OTT” with details and questions. I think your emails were GREAT -- and the breeder should have kept them and the answers (with your permission) and put them into an info folder for all puppy buyers…… because they will often have the same sort of issues or concerns, but might be too wary to ask.

    Tail Wuggles, Rubie

  30. Janice Zacharatos says:

    That was a very interesting and enjoyable post. We really loved all the puppy pictures.

    Honey’s breeders really are wonderful folk supplying all that support and information.

    Dane lovers really are the bestest humans.

    Sparta XX

  31. Great post. It’s really great you have all those emails on file, thanks for sharing them with us. The video was so cute too! And wow all those pictures!!! I was amazed at the photo of Honey standing on one leg trying to catch that ball! And the lioness photo in the parade was too cute! There is one photo, I think when Honey was 10 weeks old, where Honey is standing over a tan colored dog on a purple mat — that tan colored dog looks like a dog Mommy’s Family used to have, his name was Buddy. We were never sure what breed of dog that was, the SPCA said he might be part pit-bull. He was a stray dog that jumped the fence into our backyard one day and was playing with the other dogs we had at the time Prince and Lucky. We searched high and low, but no one lost a dog like that. To make a long story short we took Buddy to the SPCA to see if anyone would claim him, but then adopted him a few days later. Buddy was a good dog — he looked big and scary, which was very helpful for us because we used to live in a neighborhood that turned bad over the years, but he was such a gentle sweetheart if you asked me.

    • bighoneydog says:

      Actually, Lassiter Chase -- that “tan dog” is actually one of the other Dane pups I was talking about -- the ones that were having the puppy party! It looks a lot bigger than Honey coz she was only 10weeks old at the time and they were already 16 weeks.

      Hsin-Yi

  32. jet says:

    wow, finally read through that post!!! you sure asked a lot of questions of Honey’s breeder! I think they probably enjoyed it. It would be good for them to know exactly where their pups go and what they end up doing. Looks like she was an awesome therapy dog.

    My favorite photo out of all of them is Honey on one back leg to catch her ball and you can see just how much bigger she is than Paul!! :)

  33. What a great post! The process of learning from and with the dogs is one of those things that truly fascinate me!

    Ane & the WriggleButts

  34. Mina&Maks&Mo says:

    OMG, it was so great to read through all of this. So nice to take a moment and remember that dogs (in most cases) aren’t born the way we want them to be (not to say perfect) and that it’s hard work all together … But if we stick to it, we can and we will have the dog that we want and the dog will enjoy to the full extent and have a rich and beautiful life with us…. Oh, so so great. I’m even more touched with this post because my own problems with my dobie girl, and just to see how much progress have we done in only two months that we are together, with the fact that I got her in the worst period (puberty) … Every minute spent on working with your dog counts, and it’s so worth it!! To be able to go wherever we want to with our dog is really priceless.

    Great post, Honey and Hsin-Yi, and I must say, Lemon was such an adorable kitten … So sad she’s gone :(

  35. Marjie says:

    Awwww!!!!! Puppy pictures and kitten pictures!!!!! Love it all. And so you fussed over your baby. Big deal. Don’t we all? As to those people who sneer at you as a “dog expert”, well, you’re the Honey expert, and no one should expect more.

    And I didn’t know Meusli had joined the family a year ago already! Happy Gotcha Day a little late!

    xoxo Marjie

  36. Phatso says:

    Wow that was an amazing post!
    Thanks so much for sharing that with us.
    We had a great time reading it and love the Pics!!
    We especially like the photo of you and Lemon in the beanbag together and you dressed up as a Lion in a parade!! how cool!!
    Peace love and puppydreams…Phatso and 7

  37. What a wonderful trip down memory lane that would have been for you, Hsin Yi:) It’s interesting how what we think we remember is different to what was reality:) Honey, you make a wonderful lion!

  38. Blue-Sea says:

    What a fantastic post. I had to read it in intervals to do it justice. Honey, I love all your pictures especially the ones with Lemon. Love the one where u and Lemon are together in one bed. Also love the one with u and Hsin-Yi on the beach. I too play rough with the new puppy we adopted some time back. Neck holds, tumbling around, bites that look dangerous but aren’t. The puppy loves it too.
    You indeed are a beautiful girl. We Dane girls are pretty indeed! And Hsin-Yi, u did ask a lot of questions on poo! Kudos to Honey’s breeders too.

    Love,
    Blue-Sea

  39. 2browndawgs says:

    Honey, your ears did look a little silly there for a bit. :) But of course we all go through that awkward puppy stage. You sure grew up pretty. We think most breeders are happy to have questions from their puppy buyers. Both of the breeders where we were born have been very helpful to our humans. We think Hsin-Yi questions were perfectly normal. :)

    the brown dawgs

  40. Digby says:

    Hi Honey and Hsin-Yi,
    This is a really sweet post :)
    Some of it does make us have a giggle, but most of all its just so nice because it shows just how dedicated Hsin-Yi was (is!) to doing her best for you; and what more could us doggies want? :)

    your pals,
    Digby and Delta

  41. What a lovely trip down memory lane. I loved all the photos and the letters which you shared of your journey with Honey, and you’re right the breeders were amazing. It shows how important it is to get a dog from good breeders. Thanks again! I really enjoyed this post. And weren’t Honey and Lemon gorgeous babies?

  42. We have to admit that Nicki got totally distracted by all the cute pictures and we are going to have to make her go back and read the post. She just mumble something about puppy breath, feet, and ears then totally ignored our complaints!

    **Nicki-
    To expect anyone to be perfect at anything is not good and you can’t please everyone. I am one of the people who has asked your advice and I very much appreciate the time you took to answer me. I found this blog when I was trying to convince my husband a Dane would be great for us. So thanks to you and Honey we have a Drake. I come back for the enjoyment of your adventures. Now let me see if I can get past those cute pictures of Honey (we didn’t have puppy drake.. so I get distracted) and read those emails!

  43. Emma says:

    Hi,

    Honey you were beautiful the day you were born and have gotten more gorgeous each and every day since! It’s refreshing to see there are people that want to do right for their dog. I wish there were more people as interested in their dogs wellness and the shelters wouldn’t be overflowing with so many pets in need of homes.

    I enjoyed your puppy memories and it was very nice to share in your journey. I’m also relieved to know that other humans examine their dogs poo. I know someone that to this day still checks our pee and poo to make sure it’s all o.k. To prevent any embarrassment I won’t reveal their identity ;)

    Honey, I can only imagine how you might look today had your ears stayed like they were….you would have been way off the charts too cute.

    So many beautiful pictures. I like the one with you and Lemon on your bean bag bed and the “funny” ears pictures.

    I’m sorry you have had to deal with insensitive comments and remarks. We appreciate all you have contributed to the dog and blogging world. You and Hsin-Yi are an inspiration to a lot of people.

    Emma

  44. parlance says:

    Oh, what an interesting read! It was a trip down memory lane for me, too, because even though we don’t have a giant breed, we went through many of the same issues. One thing I realise from reading your post is how helpful it is to purchase from a good breeder. Knowing they were just a phone call or an email away must have given you a wonderful sense of security.

  45. Sapphire says:

    What a great post! Haha… you are (were) a worrywart! I can totally associate with that too :P It’s great to look back and realized how much you all have gone through together. Rewarding isn’t? :D

  46. Jed & Abby in MerryLand, USA says:

    First, happy belated Gotcha Day to Muesli! Looks like she got the best birthday breakfast ever.

    This was a thoroughly enjoyable post. Thank you. Mama also enjoyed the trip down memory lane, except in the 1940′s -- 1980′s it was standard to butcher Dane puppies’ ears in the U.S., so mama never had a Dane puppy with natural ears. She had several adult rescue Danes with natural ears and much prefers them. And it is now possible to show and even finish Danes with natural ears in the U.S., which is a fairly new -- and most civilized -- development. It helped a lot that Canadian Danes often show in the U.S. and Canada also outlawed butchering ears, bless them.

    Just watching 4-week old Honey and her litter mates putting their paws in their food pans brought back a slew puppy smells and wonderful puppy memories. Mama knows your breeders were delighted to get all those emails and photos of you. The worst thing is when a puppy goes to a new home and you never hear from them again and you never know how the puppy fared. Mama’s puppy days were long before email was invented, but new owners were encouraged to telephone and visit and send photos and ask questions.

    We think only very insecure, jealous and/or small-minded people would make critical remarks about Hsin-Yi’s wonderful efforts to share her experience and her hard-earned knowledge with other dog families. Pity them for a second and then just move on. Hsin-Yi has provided helpful information to many grateful people, and has shared wonderful Honey adventures with many more.

    This is an interesting new color scheme on your blog. Getting ready for Fall and Winter already?

    Jed & Abby

  47. Jed & Abby in MerryLand, USA says:

    Honey, it looks like our comments also went into the garbage. Could you please retrieve them? If not, short version is: happy belated Gotcha Day to Muesli, great post, and don’t let small-minded people get under your skin.

    Jed & Abby

    • bighoneydog says:

      Oh sorry, Jed & Abby! I don’t know why it keeps doing that!! Grrr! So annoying. My human is going to try to see if there is some way she can add your email to a “safe list” so that it doesn’t keep marking you as spam…but don’t worry, if it ever disappears, it is almost always in the spam folder and I do check that every day!

      Oh yes -- about the colour scheme -- we just fancied a change! Hsin-Yi gets bored quickly with the same thing (like our walks -- hee! hee!) and wanted to try something completely different. We have almost always had light colour schemes for our blog so we thought we’d try something dark. Also, it depends a lot on the header picture that we want to use -- this new one just didn’t go with light, blue colours -- and seemed to suit dark, warm colours…probably when we next get another header photo, Hsin-Yi will think the browns don’t suit and change my blog colours again! :-)

      Slobbers,
      Honey the Great Dane

  48. Indiana Bones Taylor says:

    Hi Honey -- I am sorry my human Diane has been out of touch and not commenting lately. You see -- something very very sad has happened in our lives. My human Diane has been so very sad, I am very worried about her. She has cried many tears into my fur and told me that my “brother” Jonathan, who is Diane’s only child and only 24 years old, died on Thursday March 1st when his apartment caught fire. He was the one that helped pick me out when I was just a wee pup -- he helped train me. I love him very much and can’t believe he is gone. If my human is sad or doesn’t comment for awhile, please forgive her. I love this post down memory lane -- hopefully we will be back to posting comments on our favorite blogs very soon.

    ***From my human Diane: Hsin-Yi, I hope you can fogive us for being mia. I am so broken and my heart is shattered in a million pieces. Poor Indy, he is beside himself with worry! He is anxious and knows that something is very very wrong. My son was such a huge part of my life -- the news of his sudden passing has brought me to my knees at the feet of Jesus. Please keep my family in your prayers. I consider you a friend even though we have never met. I want to share the life of my son with everyopne -- if you’d like to see his obituary, I can send you a link. My personal email is dmpfromri@yahoo.com

    God Bless…..Diane

  49. Liz says:

    I just wanted to comment finally after keeping up with your blog for a year or so…a little before we got our Great Dane, Charlie. She’s amazingly wonderful and I have you to partially thank for cementing the decision that we get a Great Dane -- there’s so much personality and so much love that oozes out of them! :) I enjoy all your posts (even the crazy long ones!), and wanted to thank you for the trip down memory lane I took too, looking at all the puppy pictures. Our Charlie is only 10 months old but she’s already WAY past the tiny puppy stage! Still as cute as ever though, just like Honey!

  50. Elena says:

    Thank you

  51. Oskar says:

    What a wonderful trip down memory lane. You were the cutest little thing!

    All the e-mails made my mom person remember how much she bugged my breeder when I was a baby dog. My people had always had dogs when they lived with their parents, but never raised a puppy themselves. They worried about every little thing I did, BOL.

    We loved seeing all the baby pics & want to wish Meusli a happy Gotcha Day!

    Nubbin wiggles,
    Oskar

  52. Zhivago says:

    I have to admit it was a long post, and all the words went bananas in my wolfhound brain. But the photos were adorable :) And I like your new header too :)

  53. Luna says:

    OMG! Cuteness overload!! I loved this post because I’ve had so many of the same questions/concerns/etc! Luckily, I’ve found all of you wonderful bloggers that have written about many of them so it has helped to soothe my worries. I have to admit that I LOVE Luna’s crazy ears -- so much. Haha. However, they alternate between being ‘normal’ and going crazy now. The first day that they were normal, I was a little sad that her crazy ear phase was over. But nope! They are still crazy, just like her! ;)

  54. Kimba's Mom says:

    So cute… made me smile… Kimba is our 1st dog too and I have a diary of Kimba with the emails and pics we used to exchange with his breeder to clarify our doubts, etc… Reading your post made me feel like reading Kimba’s diary. Thank You for this wonderful post!

  55. CPhil says:

    We are bringing our big girl home on this Thursday, and I must say, this was probably the most helpful and worry-easing post I could have come across. I am glad I am not the only super-worrier! I even teared up at one point seeing the picture of when Honey got taller than you, Hsin-Yi. Lovely. We are even more excited to keep up constant records for memory of how our girl grows, now that we’ve seen this! Oh and we have been pouring through names for her (she’s a black female European Dane, with a single white star on her chest) but haven’t come up with anything that would really SUIT her yet, so hopefully we can come up with something perfect when she settles in. Lovely post, and beautiful as always, Honey!
    -Love from the USA! :)

  56. Wow what a fantastic post!! I loved it!! It was so fun to read all of your emails to the breeder. :D Getting you first puppy is a very, very stressful thing! I feel lucky that I grew up with dogs my entire life (our first dog that we had until I was five years old was a Bull Mastiff!!) and got “my” first dog (Storm!) at sixteen, so it wasn’t as stressful for me. I did still agonize over everything I did with Storm and I sure made a ton of mistakes lol. Heck, I’m sure you remember the millions of emails I sent you when I decided to switch to raw feeding. Whew! Thank you for sharing these!!

  57. Gosh we have finally manged to get round and catch up with all your adventures Honey (we have a few to catch up one).

    We loved this post and so did our human, she definitely got a bit of a giggle out of it! But she found it so nice and so interesting to read, because she never really went through that “first time” dog owner thing -- she grew up with dogs and her family had puppies. Her parents were always very matter of fact with them and they didn’t stress at all. Since she then went on to work with dogs, when she finally got us it was all very exciting but not to stressy! We all really enjoyed getting an incite to a first-time dog owner experience!

    Hsin-Yi all you and Pauls hard work and stressing paid off! Though we are very interested how it will go as a 2nd-time dog owner! :p

    Licks and lots of slobber,
    Lexi and Jasper the Danes

  58. Krysta & Aspen says:

    Just read back over this post, and it is amazing how similar Aspen and Honey are/were in the puppy stages! So Honey wasn’t the best on a leash either?

    ~ Krysta & Aspen

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